Did the Early Christian Church or Churches write rewrite and edit the New Testament to make it look like Jesus?
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Did the Early Christian Church or Churches write rewrite and edit the New Testament to make it look like Jesus Christ was the Messiah as foretold in the Old Testament by the Messianic Prophecy or Messianic Prophecies ?
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Did the Early Christian Church or Churches write rewrite and edit the New Testament to make it look like Jesus Christ was the Messiah as foretold in the Old Testament by the Messianic Prophecy or Messianic Prophecies ?
Alexander
January 6th, 2012 at 1:31 am
Destiny
Probably
I am willing to believe so
January 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Alexa
No. The bible is intact almost exactly the same as when it was written. (With a few minor exceptions that don’t change the meaning or message.)
January 8th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Madison
The authorised King James Bible is perfect.Always has been,always will be,practice the holy rosary,practice makes perfect.we love you all,the holy family.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Ryan
No.
January 13th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Joseph
If you are going to discount the witness of his desciples; then, you will believe nothing.
January 16th, 2012 at 5:38 am
Allison
totally. the “new testament” was long in production. it started out as no more than a scrap of paper in the hand of a guy named paul that was on a public relations tour.
@ olderman, the diciples never wrote a word about jesus. or about themselves for that matter.
January 19th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Thomas
Hard to say exactly.
If you read “misquoting Jesus: Who changed the bible and why” you can see many many changes as they are done in the texts. It catalogs many of the changes, many of the added passages, and many of the mistakes through the new testament especially.
It shows various methods used in textual criticism, and shows that even some of the most conversational verses are in question. (Let the women learn in silence.)
Was Jesus divine, (as in Luke), or not? (as in Mark?)
–atheist
January 20th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Avery
Think of it. Someone like Matthew or John propped up a hero and admit that they ditched their hero at the hour of the worst crisis!
January 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am
Kaitlyn
Yes. The church formed the bible. The bible did not form the church.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Alexa
Proven many years ago. It is time to accept the truth about the polluted history of the Christian faith. Let go of the idea that the Bible is perfect. It is full of contradictions and falseness.
January 26th, 2012 at 1:03 am
Adrian
Yes
January 28th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Gabriella
Why would the apostles give their lives for a fraud?
January 31st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Zachary
The Roman Catholic Church is responsible for the buy-bull, and Paulianity..
January 31st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Aaron
Partly. They also added elements of the mystery religions of the people they were trying to convert. This is where blood sacrifice and the Eucharist come in.
February 1st, 2012 at 7:02 am
Daniel
No.
Jesus was probably created by Paul of Tarsus in the late 40′s and 50′s. If there had been an actual Jesus, Paul would have known much about his life and teachings. He didn’t. Paul and the other epistle writers, including Peter, don’t seem to have known any biographical details of Jesus’ life, or even the time of his earthly existence. The epistle writers don’t refer to Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee, Calvary or Golgotha — or any pilgrimages to what should have been holy sites of Jesus’ life. They also don’t mention any miracles that Jesus was supposed to have worked, his virgin birth, his trial, the empty tomb, his moral teachings, or even his disciples. These parts of the story were likely added in the 70′s by the unknown authors of the gospels.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 am
Carson
We don’t know what happened. All we know is that there was an important reformation of the Jewish Law (the Torah) and that legal formalism was officially denounced and rejected by St Paul.
However, Christianity adopted hundreds of pagan symbols and ideas that contradict completely the Scriptures and the Spirit of the Law, in order to proselytize as many Pagans as possible.
For example, can anybody explain to me why on Earth a Good, Fair, Just and Perfect God would torture, kill and sacrifice his Perfect, Saintly and Pure Son in order to save the Sinners ? This Pagan Legend has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Law of God or with the Spirit of the Law = the Love of God.
Therefore, I believe that although the legal principles were well-founded and duly developed, all the Pagan symbols, legends and pure manure were probably added with the purpose of increasing the number of followers and the political power of this religion, as well as its revenues.
February 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Lily
The cry “Peace and security!” will be the signal for “sudden destruction” to come upon Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. (Revelation 17:1-6; 18:4, 5) This too will test Christian faith. With false religion collapsing in ruins, will Jehovah’s Witnesses remain firm in faith? Of course they will. This event—unexpected and incomprehensible for most people—will not be of man’s doing. People must know that in reality it is Jehovah’s judgment, in sanctification of the name that false religion has long reviled. But how could people know unless someone had told them? And who besides Jehovah’s Witnesses could be expected to tell them so?—Compare Ezekiel 35:14, 15; Romans 10:13-15.
February 6th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Lauren
All of the textual evidence indicates that, indeed, it was written, re-written, and edited, and re-edited, as various voices added scenes, dialogues, and LXX references to affirm or reinforce their conviction that Jesus was the messiah (as they understood that term), as well as to persuade others that Jesus was truly the messiah..
Fundamentalists, of course, are ignorant of those evidences. They will never become “meat” Christians, for they’ve fed too long at the teat of the toxic milk of literalism.
And, Laura, we scholars *do* have a good idea of what happened. There is evidence aplenty. As far as the Christian adoption of pagan symbols, etc., clearly the ideas of a dying-and-rising-god, and baptism, and blood sacrifice, etc. were powerful representations of the *mythos* of an imminent divine who was willing, and capable of engaging humanity, then and now. The names change, but the *mythos* doesn’t. Those same symbols are still alive and active and powerful, even when unrecognized by their adherents (e.g., folks who understand the function of *mythos* recognize that the most recent dying-and-rising-god figure is Elvis — witness the many, many “resurrection” appearances whether in a Burger King in Grand Rapids, or elsewhere, the candlelight vigils which mark the dates of his death and his birth, the tearful passions of his *believers,*, etc.).
February 8th, 2012 at 3:44 am
Julia
No.
During the time Of Christ, the Jews had at least 4 different versions of the Torah/Tanach.
I can’t remember the names of all 4 of them, but, 2 of them were the Pharisees’ Torah & the Essenes’ Torah.
It is the Essenes’ Torah which the New Testament Prophesies were inline with. Unfortunately, when Judaism had to be reformed after the destruction of the Temple, it was the Pharisees’ Torah the Jews decided to go along with.
February 11th, 2012 at 2:38 am
Alex
I think that the Early Christians tried to stay true to the Old Testament while scrutinizing all known literature (scriptures).
I think the Catholic Church as it was congregated in 325 at the Council of Nicea did its best to rewrite prophesy to make Jesus appear to be the Messiah.
But the ancient prophesies warned against false Messiahs and false religions.
(Revelations warns against this too –)
The prophesy of the Messiah is part of the ancient Jewish dialogues; which Jesus himself followed:
Isaiah 1:26: “And I will restore your judges as at first and your counselors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City.”
Isaiah 2:4 Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance.
Isaiah 2:11 – 19 The whole world will worship the One True God of Israel.
1 Chron. 22:8 – 10; 2 Chron. 7:18 He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon
Isaiah 11:2 The “spirit of the Lord” will be upon him, and he will have a “fear of God”
Isaiah 11:4 Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before him.
Isaiah 11:9 All the world will know God at once.
Isaiah 11:10 He will accept and draw people from all cultures and nations.
Isaiah 11:12 All of the children of Israel will be called to return to their homeland.
Isaiah 25:8 Death will be cease forever (Isaiah 25:8)
Isaiah 25:8 Hunger, illness, suffering and death shall cease.
Isaiah 26:19 The dead shall rise and be restored.
Isaiah 51:11 The Jews/Hebrews will receive eternal joy and happiness.
Isaiah 52:7 The Messiah will be a messenger of peace.
Isaiah 52:13 – 53:5 All the Nations shall recognize the wrongs they committed against Israel.
Zech. 8:23 The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance.
Ezek. 16:55 Israel will be restored to her former glory.
Ezek. 39:9 Weapons of war will be destroyed (I believe swords beaten to plowshares).
Jer. 31:33 The Jews/Hebrews shall know the Torah without study.
Psalm 37:4 The Messiah will give you all the worthy desires of your heart.
Isaiah 11: 6 – 9; 51:3; Amos 9:13-15; Ezek 36:29 – 30 The Messiah will take all the barren lands and make them abundant and fruitful.
Based on the foregoing:
I don’t think Jesus was the Messiah. I do believe he was a good man who tried to make people see God, and to love God; and especially to learn to love one another.
So far, it hasn’t worked for most, has worked for some; but the world is nowhere near what prophesy said it would be had a Messiah come to Earth.